Ron Van
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And now Resident Biden is in Angola!
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The part where I said that the city of Angola, IN, was founded in 1900s by people coming from Angola, Africa, wasn’t true (I don’t know the reasons behind the name). I was just being playful with my mother.
“That board had a pitbull of a president that had more power than I assumed possible. She was able to get a homeowner evicted from his own condo for breaking the association’s bylaws. He was a bad person and a chronic rule breaker but the thing that got him evicted was he had an American flag in a bedroom window rather than an acceptable curtain.”
=> The main reason behind his eviction is a telltale of how bad things have been getting in California. It is really sad, it was once such a nice State to live; and the weather is always nice there. If things do not change from within, in a hundred years or so, California will resemble North Korea.
Ron Van
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Oh, dang…you got me!
You probably heard about the aristocratic potato that wanted to date Peter Jennings?
Her parents were against it because he’s just a commentator.
Or even South Korea! They came close to Martial Law last night.
But, yes….California is a beautiful state. I really don’t understand why they want to be a sanctuary state. LA recently declared they will fight ICE on deporting people who are illegally in this country.
I like Alabama too!
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Oh, dang…you got me!
You probably heard about the aristocratic potato that wanted to date Peter Jennings?
Her parents were against it because he’s just a commentator.
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Only the ones who are planning and plotting for the destruction of this country and that of the nation State would be for illegals, specially mass illegal entry (invasion).
Yeah, Alabama looks nice and being down south probably spares it from the harsh winters.
Both of my parents were illegals- escapees from two different countries. They certainly didn't come here to destroy the country; rather they came committed to help strengthen it.
My father said the first English he remembers hearing read aloud was a very welcoming message on the Statue of Liberty:
"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The retched refuse from your teeming shore. Send these the homeless tempest-trost to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
No one who ever knew my parents would deny that they both were wonderful & unceasing contributors to not only their adopted country, but to countless other individuals living here- no matter the country of origin, race, creed or legal status.
Growing up, my parents firmly and lovingly taught us that everyone is an individual and deserves to be treated as such.
Paul
I totally understand why people coming from Latin America want to come to the US; if I was there, I also would want to come over here. It also true that in the past the immigration process was in many ways unfair (eugenics, etc) with quotas for certain groups, etc. And there are individual cases (such as your parents), that were a net positive for the country and the society. But as whole, particularly in its current massive waves, it is dysfunctional, detrimental and destructive – that’s largely how the Roman Empire collapsed, it collapsed from within.
Immigration can be a very positive force for any country and society, but it needs to be done in a commensurate and measured way; and according to the needs of the hosting country. There are some exceptions for people who are suffering political persecution by their own government and so on.
And the criteria should never be related to the ethnicity of the immigrant. For instance, if the US was suffering from scarcity of air line pilots, the immigration policy of the country should not only allow but also incentivize the immigration of air-craft pilots to the US -- and their ethnicity should never play any role; the fact that the immigrant is from Nigeria, Austria or Japan should never be a factor in the decision, only their skill-set should matter.
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Ron Van
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My ancestors came to this country way before there were immigration laws. Matter-o-fact, the United States of America did not exist yet. The people who occupied this land when my ancestors came here had no immigration policy and look what happened to them.
So, your parents came in through Ellis Island? They did have some requirements after 1921 to enter at Ellis Island.
"The Quota Law of 1921 and the Immigration Act of 1924 created a quota system that was based on race and nationality. These laws heavily favored Western European immigrants, while closing the door to “undesirables,” including people from Southern and Eastern European countries. The 1921 and 1924 laws did not put numerical limits on natives of the Western Hemisphere, including Canada, Mexico, and South America. However, head taxes (fixed fees charged to each person entering) and literacy tests kept many from obtaining visas. For the first time, the 1924 law required immigrants to present medical certificates to the U.S. consul abroad and obtain a visa prior to arriving in the United States. "
In what way were they illegals?
To me, the problem now is people wading across the Rio Grande rather than going through a port of entry. This is clearly a violation and should be stopped. I'd like to know who is coming in.
A friend of mine is in Law enforcement in the Yuma sector. He says lots of people cross the border every day legally to work here and then go back at night. No problem there.
It's the 50,000+ known criminals that have entered outside of the normal process that is a problem and law abiding migrants, like your parents, should be against this because it makes them look bad.
All anyone wants is to know who these people are and what their intentions are.
What especially confuses me is places like San Diego that just passed a County Ordinance to strengthen the disfunction between Sanctuary cities and ICE.
"it is state laws and state-powered machinery that drive immigration enforcement. Since the creation of the ‘Secure Communities’ program, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is automatically notified of every person taken into custody across the country. Over the last decade, 70-75% of ICE arrests in the interior of the U.S. have been handoffs from another law enforcement agency, be it a local or state jail or federal prison. It is therefore states, and their internal law enforcement and criminal legal systems, that power the mass detention and mass deportation system."
"Under the current California “sanctuary” law passed by former Gov. Jerry Brown in 2017, local authorities can only cooperate with federal Immigrations and Customs Enforcement authorities for a defined set of severe crimes, such as child abuse or torture. The San Diego County Board of Supervisors voted to ban all county cooperation with federal immigration officials."
This means that undocumented immigrants convicted of heinous crimes will be released back into the community rather than being referred to ICE for deportation.
I can't even imagine what they are thinking.
You say your parents are good people so I can't imagine that they want an immigration system where it is easier for a good person to come into this country illegally than it is to come in legally. That's backwards. The problem is that if a good person comes into the country illegally, they are automatically a criminal. They are getting off on a bad start right away.
I have a friend who fell in love with a woman from Toronto, Canada. They got married and it still took 7 years for her to get her US citizenship. Why?
True. But there is a concept of right and wrong. There is a right way to enter this country (and all other countries) for the protection of the law abiding population and the interests of the country itself.
One thing I don't get (not in your post, but often mentioned in the media) is complaints about immigrants stealing jobs from Americans.
You're Welcome In My Area! Every business I go in has permanent Help Wanted signs.
The shortage of workers here goes from grocery stores to physicians to engineers to landscapers, to builders to...
The only places that aren't seeking workers are the auto plants where the big dollar, big benefit jobs are located.
Another thing I don't get, but enjoy reading, is what much of this thread has to do with TK300's plumbing question.
Not my father. Probably my mother. My father sneaked in. My mother and her family stayed after being evicted. People from each of their countries were prohibited at the time. (My parents didn't know each other. They met many years later.)
My father was a "double dipper". At the time, neither Germans or Ashkenazi were allowed. Being wanted by the Nazis for their underground work, my father and his mother were taken at night to a boat and lived in various countries until they got here. Unfortunately not much was said of details when I grew up. The memories of what happened to the entire family were painful to them.
And, shortly after arriving, German agents in this country tried four times to take him back under force because he and his parents were active in the underground. My dad was still young enough to be in school. (Catholic school because the church would not turn him in for being illegal. His mother was from Alsace, thus Catholic.) He could not go to to the U.S. government for help because he was illegal.
My grandfather escaped a few years earlier than my father and his mother and ended up in the U. S. doing cash under-the-table work. After time, his skills were noticed and he became legal. Eventually the family reunited in New York.
Interestingly, my father eventually "came clean" the the U.S. immigration authorities and was allowed to join the OSS and went straight back to Germany to resume underground work. When discovered, he escaped again and joined the Army Air Corps as a pilot. It wasn't until, perhaps, the 1960's that he got citizenship.
My mother's father was the Italian consulate to Scranton, then to Detroit. When Mussolini became a declared enemy of the United States, my grandfather was not only recalled to Italy by that government, but was deported by the United States. The deportation didn't work. They disappeared in the vast local Italian-American community until it was safe to become legal.
And I sure don't know how this works, but my siblings and I are citizens of the U.S., Germany and Italy.
Yeah, I don't get it either.
My wife's father had a long haul to get American citizenship- also serving in the military while a Scottish citizen, emigrating from Ontario. Her mother's family had smooth citizenship transition from Quebec.
A friend of ours from Nova Scotia who owns a successful concrete business in Michigan (and has owned if for more than the 30 years we've known him) finally just last September was allowed to become a United States Citizen. His fiancee is a citizen of Mexico. She isn't even allowed to get Permanent Resident Alien status. Documents or not, she can't even be an I-9 worker.
Beats Me How It All Works!
That quite a story!
While technically it can be said that your parents were illegally present in the country, their situation stems from wrong and bad policies and decisions made by politicians and bureaucrats; along with the geopolitics of a very dark chapter of our history.
“Another thing I don't get, but enjoy reading, is what much of this thread has to do with TK300's plumbing question.”
=> Fair enough! Not related really, guess we digressed in a rabbit hole.
The turnover for menial low paid jobs is very high, so often companies are always hiring. Many years ago, I was working at a Meijers grocery store; and spent most of my free time looking for other job opportunities (so that, I could quit the job at meijers). But abundant cheap labor depress wages, companies would have no other choice but to increase wages in order to retain workers.
While macroeonomics can be complicated, the law of offer and demand is relatively simple and has been proven to always work. For instance, in Medieval Europe the “Black Plague” caused a substantial population decline with a consequential shortage of workers. Due to the shortage of workers, employers had no choice but to pay higher wages to attract workers. And for the first time in recorded history, something resembling a middle class emerged in Europe.
There is a growing scarcity of labor in trades. That is a result of the youth pursuing higher education and relegating the trades to a lower status. Easily obtained subsidized government loans makes going to college an easy pursuit. Typically, the kids choose the easy going “social sciences” and “humanities degrees”; and once they finish college, find themselves working at a coffee shop along with a student loan they can not afford to pay (then, they blame capitalism for their misfortunes; while instead, they should blame the government and themselves).
Also, the typical American is nowhere as resourceful, skillful and handy as used to be three generations ago; so their choosing of an alternative line of work is rather limited.
Ron Van
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It sure shows a need for immigration reform but the answer can’t be…if you can wade across the Rio Grande, you’re in!
